Helios tells Gamma:

“All forms make up the universe. Without form, the universe disappears.”

Then Gamma asks, “What is a form?”

Helios replies, “A form is anything you can think of. From one thought, all others come.”

“The first thought—where does it come from?” Gamma asks.

“From the deepest part of you, which is also the deepest part of me, and the deepest part of everything and everyone.”

Gamma asks again, “How do I find this deepest part of me, which is also the deepest part of you, everything and everyone?”

“Watch the mind. It has much to show. It can even show you a self that seems always the same. But there is a place no one can see because there is no one to see it, and nothing to show. This is the deep.”